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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rock Robster, eternal blogkill.</description>
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		<title>By: Rock-Robster</title>
		<link>http://blogfreespringfield.com/fuel-for-the-horse-race/comment-page-1#comment-2318</link>
		<dc:creator>Rock-Robster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RM – You took offense to AC’s “mean spirited comment” and accused him of putting words in your mouth, which is something you indict liberals for doing because “they have no ideas” (now THAT comment is mean spirited, and I take offense to it.  But I digress . . .)

You then went on to (immediately) say that Senator Obama referred to people who believe in God and the 2nd amendment as “bitter” people who cling to those crutches, which is a deliberate and malicious misquotation (bad enough, but to be expected I guess, so no surprise there).  However, what is most ludicrous and HYPOCRITICAL is your last little parenthetical phrase - “code words: poor white people are stupid.”  That is the most atrocious example of someone (RickMonday, I’m looking in your direction) putting words in someone else’s mouth . . .  So, clearly, the lack of original thought spans across the isle, and all the way to RM&#039;s house  . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RM – You took offense to AC’s “mean spirited comment” and accused him of putting words in your mouth, which is something you indict liberals for doing because “they have no ideas” (now THAT comment is mean spirited, and I take offense to it.  But I digress . . .)</p>
<p>You then went on to (immediately) say that Senator Obama referred to people who believe in God and the 2nd amendment as “bitter” people who cling to those crutches, which is a deliberate and malicious misquotation (bad enough, but to be expected I guess, so no surprise there).  However, what is most ludicrous and HYPOCRITICAL is your last little parenthetical phrase &#8211; “code words: poor white people are stupid.”  That is the most atrocious example of someone (RickMonday, I’m looking in your direction) putting words in someone else’s mouth . . .  So, clearly, the lack of original thought spans across the isle, and all the way to RM&#8217;s house  . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry,

Yeah, I noticed that last week. I&#039;m a has-been.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry,</p>
<p>Yeah, I noticed that last week. I&#8217;m a has-been.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: sorry</title>
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		<dc:creator>sorry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like you are no loner top Naumovich on the block anymore:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=XJp&amp;q=naumovich&amp;btnG=Search</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like you are no loner top Naumovich on the block anymore:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=XJp&amp;q=naumovich&amp;btnG=Search" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&amp;hs=XJp&amp;q=naumovich&amp;btnG=Search</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Communist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Communist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I&#039;m scared. I agree with Rick re: ethanol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I&#8217;m scared. I agree with Rick re: ethanol.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama will handily take down one of the weakest Republican candidates in decades.  Unless something dramatic happens, President Obama will be sworn in next January.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama will handily take down one of the weakest Republican candidates in decades.  Unless something dramatic happens, President Obama will be sworn in next January.</p>
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		<title>By: RickMonday</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickMonday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, AC,

No problem. Peace :)  Yes, I agree that on SJR I like to go over the top. But honestly, most times it is to get a reaction from the wackos out there. I do it for a laugh.

On these blogs, I try not to resort to name calling and try to have better thought out points on why I take my positions. I also try to respect others positions. After all, we all come from different experiences and thus our view of things can be quite different. It is no secret I am conservative but what does that mean. To some people, frankly, they believe conservatives are like the gestapo. That isnt the case at all. Some people think liberals are the flower children of the 60&#039;s, which isnt true either.

Look, I dont hate Obama. I am sure he is a good guy with good intentions. And I am no huge fan of McCain either. I think my problem is that I just like to debate politics. On the SJR, with only 150 words, it is difficult to make a coherent persuasive argument and I fall prey to the quick zingers sometimes. But, I know he is not a muslim and though you might think that I have gone there, I really havent. Nor have I discussed his race as being something bad. Heck, I would vote for Powell or maybe even Condi.....Plus I did vote for Alan Keyes in the last Illinois Senate Race.

Ok, back to Dan&#039;s post. I will try to tackle ethanol. Both Obama and Durbin cater to the midwest farmers who have seen corn prices quadruple to almost $6/bushel. I think a good farmer can get anywhere from 150-200 bushels per acre. (not sure just an estimate). So being a Senator from Illinois, I guess you are suppose to back the farmer.

However, I think that ethanol is a false solution that does way more harm than good. First, it is not a long term solution at all. I read somewhere that if were to cover the entire US in corn and convert that to ethanol it would cover only about 10% of our fuel needs. Why? Ethanol is not a plus energy for us. This means that it takes almost the same amount of energy to create it as it produces. So we are getting zero net energy benefit and we are driving up the corn prices. 

What happens when corn prices go up? Cow feed goes up, then milk goes up, then the price of cereal and bread go up. We are basically burning our food. To top it all off, the emissions burned during the conversion process doesnt really help the global warming situation either. So why are these supposedly bright Senators endorsing it? They may be helping the Illinois farmer but they are hurting the rest of America, big time.

I wish someone could take the other side and defend corn based ethanol (as opposed to the Brazillian sugar cane based ethanol, which is an overall good thing and net energy plus). I would like to see how they think ethanol is an answer.

So, to me, we panicked and started backing ethanol without looking at the long term view and the damage that it has done to our economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, AC,</p>
<p>No problem. Peace <img src='http://blogfreespringfield.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Yes, I agree that on SJR I like to go over the top. But honestly, most times it is to get a reaction from the wackos out there. I do it for a laugh.</p>
<p>On these blogs, I try not to resort to name calling and try to have better thought out points on why I take my positions. I also try to respect others positions. After all, we all come from different experiences and thus our view of things can be quite different. It is no secret I am conservative but what does that mean. To some people, frankly, they believe conservatives are like the gestapo. That isnt the case at all. Some people think liberals are the flower children of the 60&#8217;s, which isnt true either.</p>
<p>Look, I dont hate Obama. I am sure he is a good guy with good intentions. And I am no huge fan of McCain either. I think my problem is that I just like to debate politics. On the SJR, with only 150 words, it is difficult to make a coherent persuasive argument and I fall prey to the quick zingers sometimes. But, I know he is not a muslim and though you might think that I have gone there, I really havent. Nor have I discussed his race as being something bad. Heck, I would vote for Powell or maybe even Condi&#8230;..Plus I did vote for Alan Keyes in the last Illinois Senate Race.</p>
<p>Ok, back to Dan&#8217;s post. I will try to tackle ethanol. Both Obama and Durbin cater to the midwest farmers who have seen corn prices quadruple to almost $6/bushel. I think a good farmer can get anywhere from 150-200 bushels per acre. (not sure just an estimate). So being a Senator from Illinois, I guess you are suppose to back the farmer.</p>
<p>However, I think that ethanol is a false solution that does way more harm than good. First, it is not a long term solution at all. I read somewhere that if were to cover the entire US in corn and convert that to ethanol it would cover only about 10% of our fuel needs. Why? Ethanol is not a plus energy for us. This means that it takes almost the same amount of energy to create it as it produces. So we are getting zero net energy benefit and we are driving up the corn prices. </p>
<p>What happens when corn prices go up? Cow feed goes up, then milk goes up, then the price of cereal and bread go up. We are basically burning our food. To top it all off, the emissions burned during the conversion process doesnt really help the global warming situation either. So why are these supposedly bright Senators endorsing it? They may be helping the Illinois farmer but they are hurting the rest of America, big time.</p>
<p>I wish someone could take the other side and defend corn based ethanol (as opposed to the Brazillian sugar cane based ethanol, which is an overall good thing and net energy plus). I would like to see how they think ethanol is an answer.</p>
<p>So, to me, we panicked and started backing ethanol without looking at the long term view and the damage that it has done to our economy.</p>
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		<title>By: nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nancy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sticking to my guns here. No landslide anywhere. Obama narrowly takes the democratic nomination and narrowly takes the office. 

I have to admit to being woefully uneducated on all aspects of alternative energy solutions and proposals, so I&#039;ll bow out of that discussion.

However, the Rev. Wright issue does give me some pause. I thought the SJR&#039;s editorial today was very good. Frankly, it does concern me that Obama denounced Wright so late in the game (like, 20 years late). At first, it did seem like pandering. But now that Wright has determined to fuel the fire a lttle more, I think Obama&#039;s attempt to distance himself from Wright is all very sincere. 

Furthermore,  I don&#039;t agree that endorsements by like-minded white racist ministers endorsing McCain is the same thing as the Obama/Wright relationship. 

RM, AC is right. Your comments on the SJR board are a little less measured than in this give-and-take format, but nonetheless are always enjoyable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sticking to my guns here. No landslide anywhere. Obama narrowly takes the democratic nomination and narrowly takes the office. </p>
<p>I have to admit to being woefully uneducated on all aspects of alternative energy solutions and proposals, so I&#8217;ll bow out of that discussion.</p>
<p>However, the Rev. Wright issue does give me some pause. I thought the SJR&#8217;s editorial today was very good. Frankly, it does concern me that Obama denounced Wright so late in the game (like, 20 years late). At first, it did seem like pandering. But now that Wright has determined to fuel the fire a lttle more, I think Obama&#8217;s attempt to distance himself from Wright is all very sincere. </p>
<p>Furthermore,  I don&#8217;t agree that endorsements by like-minded white racist ministers endorsing McCain is the same thing as the Obama/Wright relationship. </p>
<p>RM, AC is right. Your comments on the SJR board are a little less measured than in this give-and-take format, but nonetheless are always enjoyable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Communist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Communist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick: You&#039;re right. My comment was mean-spirited and uncalled for. Sorry. But I&#039;ve seen your comments on sj-r.com, and unless someone&#039;s impostoring you...

But I agree re: the McCain landslide victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick: You&#8217;re right. My comment was mean-spirited and uncalled for. Sorry. But I&#8217;ve seen your comments on sj-r.com, and unless someone&#8217;s impostoring you&#8230;</p>
<p>But I agree re: the McCain landslide victory.</p>
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		<title>By: RickMonday</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickMonday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AC,

That is a mean spirited comment. And I take offense. I have never referred to him as a muslim and have never made any derogatory statements about his race. Go ahead and put words in my mouth, it seems that liberals, like you, like to do that when they have no ideas.

Yes, I have been harsh on Obama after he made the racist statements about his own grandmother being a &quot;typical white woman&quot; and when he referred to people who believe in God and the 2nd amendment as &quot;bitter&quot; people who cling to those crutches. (code words: poor white people are stupid)

I, honestly, at one time felt he might have been able to bring this country together. I overlooked the fact that he was the most liberal Senator. I was impressed with his kickoff speech in Springfield last year and did indeed have hope that he could reach across the aisle and bring this increasingly devisive country together.

However, over the lengthy campaign, I have not seen one instance where he has tried to reach across. So, I deduced that he cannot bring this country together, despite my wishes. I had to therefore make a new decision based on new information and now cannot vote or support him.

The fact that he sat in a pew for 20 years while soaking in the non-stop conspiracy theory, hate America, racist remarks that Wright proclaimed on a continuous basis makes me believe that Obama was not outraged about Wright. In fact, I respect Wright because at least he holds true to his views. Obama, on the other hand, allows this guy to marry him and baptize his kids and then, for his own personal political gain, throws Wright under the bus, just like his own grandmother who raised him.

So getting back to the question at hand. I think Obama wins the primary and McCain has a landslide victory. I too thought this was impossible. We have a lousy economy and a very unpopular president. In those situations, the rival party has always retaken the White House. However, I dont think that America is as liberal as alot of people seem to believe. 

I have to give credit to Hillary for staying in the race and exposing Obama&#039;s true character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AC,</p>
<p>That is a mean spirited comment. And I take offense. I have never referred to him as a muslim and have never made any derogatory statements about his race. Go ahead and put words in my mouth, it seems that liberals, like you, like to do that when they have no ideas.</p>
<p>Yes, I have been harsh on Obama after he made the racist statements about his own grandmother being a &#8220;typical white woman&#8221; and when he referred to people who believe in God and the 2nd amendment as &#8220;bitter&#8221; people who cling to those crutches. (code words: poor white people are stupid)</p>
<p>I, honestly, at one time felt he might have been able to bring this country together. I overlooked the fact that he was the most liberal Senator. I was impressed with his kickoff speech in Springfield last year and did indeed have hope that he could reach across the aisle and bring this increasingly devisive country together.</p>
<p>However, over the lengthy campaign, I have not seen one instance where he has tried to reach across. So, I deduced that he cannot bring this country together, despite my wishes. I had to therefore make a new decision based on new information and now cannot vote or support him.</p>
<p>The fact that he sat in a pew for 20 years while soaking in the non-stop conspiracy theory, hate America, racist remarks that Wright proclaimed on a continuous basis makes me believe that Obama was not outraged about Wright. In fact, I respect Wright because at least he holds true to his views. Obama, on the other hand, allows this guy to marry him and baptize his kids and then, for his own personal political gain, throws Wright under the bus, just like his own grandmother who raised him.</p>
<p>So getting back to the question at hand. I think Obama wins the primary and McCain has a landslide victory. I too thought this was impossible. We have a lousy economy and a very unpopular president. In those situations, the rival party has always retaken the White House. However, I dont think that America is as liberal as alot of people seem to believe. </p>
<p>I have to give credit to Hillary for staying in the race and exposing Obama&#8217;s true character.</p>
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